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Post by yerin0727 on Nov 28, 2012 20:33:46 GMT -5
During our discussion of who started the fight between Agamemnon and Achilles, I said that it was Agamemnon who made Achilles angry in the first place. I mean, I understand the fact that, back then, people greatly looked upon their kings and may have thought that kings possess all the power, but do you think this means that kings can take other people's properties without permission just because his own prize was taken away? I think that it wasnt wrong of Achilles to be angry at Agamemnon. So, what do you guys think?
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Post by jessicak016 on Dec 1, 2012 22:32:15 GMT -5
I think that it was acceptable during that period of time. Agamemnon was raised to become a king and, therefore, already knew how powerful he is. Honestly, I also don't like the type of king, who thinks that he can do anything he likes, like Agamemnon. However, this story does not say that it is going to talk about the "good" king. And there has been more cruel kings in the past and other countries.
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Post by minjaeyang on Dec 2, 2012 1:06:18 GMT -5
I agree with the statement that Agamemnon made Achilles angry so he has the right to be angry at Agamemnon. Agamemnon wants to get everything he wants because he is a king. It was selfish of him to take away Achilles's war prize. If I were Achilles, I would be angry about the fact that he should give up his war prize for Agamemnon.
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Post by cesar on Dec 2, 2012 6:17:31 GMT -5
Yeah, of course it sounds wrong to us. Its like if the government broke in to our homes and took out hings because the president was running out of toilet paper or something. But back then, the king had maximum power over everybody, or at least over his army. If I were Achilles I think I would have reacted the same way, why would he take my war prize when he has not done anything? I fought in the battle field while this guy gloated about how great he was in his tent with about a dozen slaves.
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Post by hafizh on Dec 2, 2012 6:25:42 GMT -5
i think during that time it was his right, because king has absolute power for everything. in today's perspective it was wrong, but during ancient time its a common thing for the king to ask anything that he want. that's why most of countries has democratic system rather than monarchy.
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Post by Alam10kkfs on Dec 2, 2012 6:53:35 GMT -5
Well in my opinion The mighty king has the right to do whatever he wants back then. Just like any other kings, they are selfish like a little kid, they wanted everything, they wanted whatever they wanted and whenever they wanted. Just like any other kings, a person who has a power, that person would take anything he want, he'd never be grateful for what he has. Thats my opinion though, correct me if im wrong~
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Post by davidh on Dec 2, 2012 9:38:42 GMT -5
I guess I agree with you.... It's kind of unfair for Achilles to just give his war price to Agamemnon just because he wants it. He also deserve his war price I guess. Besides, he wasn't the one who fought all the battle. It was Achilles and he would be sick and tired of it.
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Post by elijahlee on Dec 2, 2012 10:51:10 GMT -5
In the society of the time, it is completely right for Agamemnon to take the prize from one of the generals. The king always came first in society. Also, Achilles shouldn't have been mad in the first place. Achilles was just insubordinate by becoming angry, and had no right to become angry with the king.
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Post by sarahlee2 on Dec 3, 2012 3:23:12 GMT -5
Isn't that the point of being the king? They own everything in their kingdom. I think it makes sense that Agamemnon tried to take a war prize from his generals. They were in a way less position then the king. Achilles should know that. Even though he doesn't want to, he should just accept that the king gets whatever he wants. It makes sense that Agamemnon got angry at Achilles because he was disobeying and being disrespectful to the king.
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Post by julielu on Dec 8, 2012 6:07:32 GMT -5
I feel Agamemnon just didn't want to be weaker in the comparison with Achilles. They regarded each other as an enemy, even they were in the same team. Agamemnon was asked to return Chryseis by Achilles. Therefore, Agamemnon won't have any war prize. At this point, won't Agamemnon think himself was weaker than Achilles who had a war prize?
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Post by RegXD on Dec 8, 2012 21:39:40 GMT -5
I think that the king can have his rights to take what ever he wants since he's the king. But if it happens in modern world, i'm going to bash him if he does that. Because our modern world and his king world in the past is different and i wouldn't want him to take me prize or things. period.
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Post by jinwooprk on Dec 9, 2012 4:49:40 GMT -5
As general of the King Agamemnon's army, I believe that obviously Achiles should have respected the king's choice and therefore, should have given his warprize without being insubordinate to him. It doesn'tmake sense at all for a general to be mad at the king's decison. Generals are there to follow king's order. So I don't thing Agamemnon stated the fight.
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Post by michellelee on Dec 9, 2012 6:35:07 GMT -5
I think it was rude for Achiles to directly show discontent to the king like that. It's not like Agamemnon directly said to Achiles that he will take his property as his war prize but it was Achiles' fault in the first place for speaking to the king in a bad way. He made the king upset and that was how the conflict began. Also, even if the king told Achiles that he will take his property as his war prize, he should have no choice but to give it to Agamemnon since he is the king and it was wrong to go against a king at that time.
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Post by joannekim on Dec 16, 2012 9:51:33 GMT -5
These days, a good king or leader is considered to be generous and caring to his people. If something like this happened, there would be a mass criticism from all kinds of media and perhaps a rebellion by citizens. It is like people have right to overthrow bad leader. However, at that time, it seems like a king did not have to be good. He could be cruel and greedy, and the subordinates were to obey him. So, I think Agamemnon had a right to take his generals' properties if he wanted, and Achilles should have just listened to him.
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Post by edward08 on Jan 9, 2013 23:18:08 GMT -5
I think it was both agemmemom andnachillies fault that causes the fight , usually thought that achillies was the wrong side, but to think about it agememnon was being wrong too as a leader. Just becasue that he is king doesnt mean that he could take away peoples war prizes and property
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